Warning for those buying a printer

[Lyn Buchanan]

This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying new
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes that it
will help others.

I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I had
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.

Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad. This
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but for
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.

The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced with
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same for
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of time
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.

I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your print
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning and a
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair bill
or simply buy a new one.

And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!

Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.

That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.

I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches. Please
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.

[Paul]

Try this link, download the software, you should be able to reset counters
http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml

Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying new
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes that it
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I had
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad. This
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but for
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced with
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same for
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of time
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your print
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning and a
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair bill
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches. Please
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.

[Bergie]

First, Thanks for the util for epson printers!
I'm been re-filling my stylus color 640 with after market ink since
Future shop stopped selling the Irish ink cartridges.

Second, Beware of buying outdated printers !!
I bought a Samsung SL600G wdws based laser printer when wdws 2000
came out & have not been able to get a driver for it, even tho it will work on
wdws98. It has been a BIG aggravation not to be able to use it on win 2k or XP !
The XP computers are the ones I use daily!

Samsung's response - Too Bad - So Sad !!

Of course, I have NOT bought ANY of their products since !
It would have been advantageous for them to have tried a productive response!
Remember that this included NOT buying their TV, monitor, Microwave, HD, DVD,
memory, etc. The list just goes on!


"Paul" <***@abc.com> wrote in message news:7TZle.21$***@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
Try this link, download the software, you should be able to reset counters
http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml

Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying new
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes that it
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I had
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad. This
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but for
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced with
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same for
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of time
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your print
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning and a
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair bill
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches. Please
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.

[Paul]

Try this link, download the software, you should be able to reset counters

http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtm

[ALEXB]

Post by Paul
Try this link, download the software, you should be able to reset counters
http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtm

I tried, out of curiosity, and got a message:
The page cannot be found
with a blank screen.
Epson sucks and everyone has known it for years.

[Eskay]

Post by ALEXB

Post by Paul
Try this link, download the software, you should be able to reset counters
http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtm

The page cannot be found
with a blank screen.
Epson sucks and everyone has known it for years.

Try again http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml

[Robert Baer]

Post by Eskay

Post by ALEXB

Post by Paul
Try this link, download the software, you should be able to reset counters
http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtm

The page cannot be found
with a blank screen.
Epson sucks and everyone has known it for years.

Try again http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml

BS; try:
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/SupportIndex.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&expansion=1000000

[Robert Baer]

Post by Eskay

Post by ALEXB

Post by Paul
Try this link, download the software, you should be able to reset counters
http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtm

The page cannot be found
with a blank screen.
Epson sucks and everyone has known it for years.

Try again http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml

Same URL, same result. Looks phony anyway.
Perhaps visiting the Epson site, and then use the drivers and support
section would be of merit:
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/SupportIndex.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&expansion=1000000

[Bill]

Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying new
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes that it
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I had
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad. This
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but for
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced with
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same for
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of time
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your print
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning and a
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair bill
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches. Please
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.

Its like buying a car - you should have asked about the running costs

Bill

[old jon]

Hi Bill. You could try these sites. This proggy is supposed to help.
http://www.ssclg.com/download/sscserve.exe. and
http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/reference/manuals/public/epson
By the way Epson is owned by the mighty Sony Corp. Funny innit ?.
best wishes..OJ

Post by Bill

Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying new
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes that it
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I had
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad.
This
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but for
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced with
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same for
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of time
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your print
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning and a
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair bill
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches.
Please
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.

Its like buying a car - you should have asked about the running costs
Bill

[John Guarnieri]

If you do so much printing why not purchase a laserjet printer with a toner
cartridge which is approx 65.00 for 10,000 sheets

Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying new
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes that it
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I had
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad. This
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but for
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced with
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same for
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of time
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your print
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning and a
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair bill
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches. Please
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.

[Robert Baer]

Post by John Guarnieri
If you do so much printing why not purchase a laserjet printer with a toner
cartridge which is approx 65.00 for 10,000 sheets

Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying

new

Post by Lyn Buchanan
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes that

it

Post by Lyn Buchanan
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I

had

Post by Lyn Buchanan
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad. This
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but

for

Post by Lyn Buchanan
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced

with

Post by Lyn Buchanan
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same

for

Post by Lyn Buchanan
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of

time

Post by Lyn Buchanan
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your

print

Post by Lyn Buchanan
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning and

a

Post by Lyn Buchanan
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair

bill

Post by Lyn Buchanan
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches. Please
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.

Perhaps he should 1) go to small claims court for financial redress,
and 2) start a class-action suit against Epson.

[Jarta65]

Post by John Guarnieri
If you do so much printing why not purchase a laserjet printer with a toner
cartridge which is approx 65.00 for 10,000 sheets

Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying

new

Post by Lyn Buchanan
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes that

it

Post by Lyn Buchanan
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I

had

Post by Lyn Buchanan
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad.
This
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but

for

Post by Lyn Buchanan
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced

with

Post by Lyn Buchanan
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same

for

Post by Lyn Buchanan
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of

time

Post by Lyn Buchanan
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your

print

Post by Lyn Buchanan
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning
and

a

Post by Lyn Buchanan
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair

bill

Post by Lyn Buchanan
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches.
Please
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.

Do you happen to know if this applies to Lexmark also?

I'm thinking of buying one.

[Robert Baer]

Post by Jarta65

Post by John Guarnieri
If you do so much printing why not purchase a laserjet printer with a toner
cartridge which is approx 65.00 for 10,000 sheets

Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying

new

Post by Lyn Buchanan
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes that

it

Post by Lyn Buchanan
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I

had

Post by Lyn Buchanan
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad.
This
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but

for

Post by Lyn Buchanan
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced

with

Post by Lyn Buchanan
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same

for

Post by Lyn Buchanan
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of

time

Post by Lyn Buchanan
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your

print

Post by Lyn Buchanan
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning
and

a

Post by Lyn Buchanan
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair

bill

Post by Lyn Buchanan
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches.
Please
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.

Do you happen to know if this applies to Lexmark also?

I'm thinking of buying one.

I know that some Lexmart printers "monitor" the cartridge and
"expect" they be *changed* for a different one after the ink runs out.
The garbage concerning printer uses is unknowm, except by a heavy user.

[Jarta65]

Post by Jarta65

Post by John Guarnieri
If you do so much printing why not purchase a laserjet printer with a toner
cartridge which is approx 65.00 for 10,000 sheets

(Huge snip)

Do you happen to know if this applies to Lexmark also?

I'm thinking of buying one.

I know that some Lexmart printers "monitor" the cartridge and "expect"
they be *changed* for a different one after the ink runs out.
The garbage concerning printer uses is unknowm, except by a heavy user.

Post by Jarta65

Post by John Guarnieri
So, is there is there a "best buy" brand out there that anyone would
recommend, or should I nose around the web sites and use gut instinct.
I'm not a heavy user, but I don't write so good any more.

[ALBERT C. GOOD JR.]

Perhaps you could get some good advice from Art Erlich of
comp.perifs.printer

I had the same problem with my old Epsom 640. In that case it was solved by
a sequence of button pushes.

Also I have heard that it is possible to use a soldering iron on the cussed
things and defete those useless Chip reading and time out features.

Here is the link to at lest one down load site where you should be be able
to get a free utility to help maintain a printer.
http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml

Post by John Guarnieri
If you do so much printing why not purchase a laserjet printer with a toner
cartridge which is approx 65.00 for 10,000 sheets

Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying

new

Post by Lyn Buchanan
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes

that

Post by John Guarnieri
it

Post by Lyn Buchanan
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I

had

Post by Lyn Buchanan
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad.

This

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but

for

Post by Lyn Buchanan
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced

with

Post by Lyn Buchanan
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same

for

Post by Lyn Buchanan
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of

time

Post by Lyn Buchanan
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your

print

Post by Lyn Buchanan
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning

and

Post by John Guarnieri
a

Post by Lyn Buchanan
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair

bill

Post by Lyn Buchanan
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches.

Please

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.

[Robert Baer]

Post by ALBERT C. GOOD JR.
Perhaps you could get some good advice from Art Erlich of
comp.perifs.printer
I had the same problem with my old Epsom 640. In that case it was solved by
a sequence of button pushes.
Also I have heard that it is possible to use a soldering iron on the cussed
things and defete those useless Chip reading and time out features.
Here is the link to at lest one down load site where you should be be able
to get a free utility to help maintain a printer.
http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml

Post by John Guarnieri
If you do so much printing why not purchase a laserjet printer with a

toner

Post by John Guarnieri
cartridge which is approx 65.00 for 10,000 sheets

Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying

new

Post by Lyn Buchanan
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes

that

Post by John Guarnieri
it

Post by Lyn Buchanan
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I

had

Post by Lyn Buchanan
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to

go.

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there

anything

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it

the

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of

the

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it

blocks

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad.

This

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but

for

Post by Lyn Buchanan
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced

with

Post by Lyn Buchanan
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip

reset.

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same

for

Post by Lyn Buchanan
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of

time

Post by Lyn Buchanan
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of

another

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole

situation

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your

print

Post by Lyn Buchanan
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning

and

Post by John Guarnieri
a

Post by Lyn Buchanan
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with

a

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair

bill

Post by Lyn Buchanan
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have

your

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make

you

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky

traps

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy

a

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches.

Please

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will

help

Post by John Guarnieri

Post by Lyn Buchanan
others, as well.

Excellent reference, BUT there is *no* info about the "special addon
device".
I sent then an e-mail query about this issue.

[Yvan Hall]

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Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying new
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes that it
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I had
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad. This
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but for
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced with
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same for
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of time
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your print
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning and a
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair bill
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches. Please
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.

[John Redthorn]

Post by Yvan Hall
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Log on to Find out how you can make money by clicking my Web Site.
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Chelation,
Apricot kernels for cancer treament, Other affiliates are for Computers,
household products, Satellite TV (You may watch International Channel on
your Computer),
Download Commmercial Movies, Email, Free Horoscope.

Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying new
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes that it
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I had
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad. This
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but for
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced with
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same for
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of time
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your print
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning and a
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair bill
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches. Please
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.

I had an epson printer . It printed great as long as you did not let it
set for a few days in between . Then the prin head dried up and I had to
take the damn thing apart to get it all out and clean it with denatured
alcohol. Pain in the ass . the ink costs way too much .

Had a cannon . Printed like shit . black was good but color real bad .
ate black ink quickly and the cartridge was about 18 bucks . 450 dollar
waste. tossed it in the trash .

have an hp all in one . Great printer . ink is cheap cheap if you buy a
refill kit .

[Yvan Hall]

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Chelation,
Apricot kernels for cancer treament, Other affiliates are for Computers,
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your Computer),
Download Commmercial Movies, Email, Free Horoscope.

Post by Lyn Buchanan
This might be helpful to anyone on the list who is thinking about buying new
equipment: Please spread this to other lists, as well, in the hopes that it
will help others.
I purchased an Epson C62 printer last year, which was a good printer. I had
no complaints other than the fact that they build a chip into their ink
cartridges so you can't refill them. For most people, this is not a
problem, but I do a LOT of printing, and refilling is the only way to go.
$3 for new ink is much better than $50. The cartridge chip is something
they don't tell you about when you buy the printer, nor is there anything
about it in the manual, or on their web site. You only learn about it the
hard way - after you've already bought the machine.
Yesterday, an error message popped up and told me that "some parts of the
printer are at the end of their life cycle", and that I should take the
printer to be repaired. There is absolutely nothing in the manual about
this, so I searched the internet and found out that there is also a chip
inside the printer which counts the number of times you clean the ink
nozzles, and then it figures that the waste ink pad is dirty, so it blocks
you from using your printer at all any more until you get a new pad. This
is several hundred cleanings, so for most people, it isn't an issue, but for
people like me, who use their printer a lot, it just became a very big
issue.
The average user will take the machine to the repair shop and be faced with
a bill of at least $80 to have an ink pad changed and have the chip reset.
HOWEVER, guess what else I learned the hard way... the Epson C62's chip
can't be reset. My only resort is to buy a new machine. It is the same for
several other models, but there is no way for you to find out ahead of time
whether the model you are buying is one of them. For these models, you
evidently have to have the whole motherboard changed, at a cost of another
$100 or so, or buy another machine.... which is what this whole situation
was designed for making you do.
I found out that all Epson printers are designed to let you clean your print
nozzles just so many times, and then you can't use the machine any more.
This is not in their manuals, advertising, help files, etc. No one will
tell you this before you buy the machine. Instead of a simple warning and a
pull-out drawer where you can change the pad yourself, you are left with a
machine which is mechanically fine, but which Epson has intentionally
designed to be totally unusable unless you go out and pay a huge repair bill
or simply buy a new one.
And I thought that the cartridge chip was an underhanded thing to do to
their customers!!!
Bottom line - if you are looking for a printer that you will use a lot -
under no circumstances should you buy an Epson. Epson does not have your
best interests at heart, and they have designed their machines to make you
pay all kinds of hidden costs. I'm sure that there are other tricky traps
that I haven't uncovered, and won't - because when I go out today to buy a
new printer - it won't be an Epson.
That being their company's policy, I would not buy any of their other
products, either.
I hope that this saves someone some money and equipment headaches. Please
send this out to as many lists as you can, in the hopes that it will help
others, as well.